{"id":14078,"date":"2011-09-03T23:17:13","date_gmt":"2011-09-04T03:17:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/?p=14078"},"modified":"2011-09-03T23:17:13","modified_gmt":"2011-09-04T03:17:13","slug":"christian-counsellors-not-allowed-to-pray-for-those-they-counsel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/christian-counsellors-not-allowed-to-pray-for-those-they-counsel\/","title":{"rendered":"Christian counsellors not allowed to pray for those they counsel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>From <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-2033456\/Christian-group-ditched-charity--offering-pray-debt-victims.html?ITO=1490\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A Christian organisation has been ditched by a national charity for offering to pray for people with debt problems.<\/p>\n<p>Christians Against Poverty (CAP) has been forced to leave AdviceUK, an umbrella group representing the interests of thousands of advice workers, after it was judged that praying was \u2018incompatible\u2019 with membership.<\/p>\n<p>[\u2026..]<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday, Steve Johnson, chief executive of AdviceUK, described the offer of prayer by CAP as an \u2018emotional fee\u2019. Asked to explain what he meant, Mr Johnson replied that CAP was effectively expecting clients to \u2018pay\u2019 for their advice by agreeing to pray with the counsellors. \u2018Advisers must not offer or impose their values,\u2019 he added.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>How is a debt counsellor supposed to counsel without imposing at least <em>some <\/em>\u00a0values?<\/p>\n<p>Counsellors wouldn\u2019t be debt counsellors unless they thought being debt free is better than being debt ridden. This is a \u201cvalue\u201d; if the counsellors give advice on reducing debt they are imposing a value. Going by the rules of AdviceUK, all debt counsellors should be disqualified as counsellors unless they are also willing to counsel people to increase their debt. Absurd? Of course it is, but so is the ban on prayer.<\/p>\n<p>AdviceUK is imposing <em>its<\/em> values on who can counsel and who can\u2019t: one of the values is anti-Christian bigotry.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From here: A Christian organisation has been ditched by a national charity for offering to pray for people with debt problems. Christians Against Poverty (CAP) has been forced to leave AdviceUK, an umbrella group representing the interests of thousands of &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/christian-counsellors-not-allowed-to-pray-for-those-they-counsel\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"iawp_total_views":1,"footnotes":""},"categories":[75],"tags":[349],"class_list":["post-14078","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-christianity","tag-adviceuk"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14078","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=14078"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14078\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=14078"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=14078"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.anglicansamizdat.net\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=14078"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}