Beautiful pictures! I always enjoy clean snow. Snowshoeing is a great winter sport. If I remember correctly, it was much colder in the 1960s. Yes. Ontario is getting warmer nowadays.
First snow in Egypt in 112 years and you are arguing that there is no such thing as climate change? The real question is what is causing it, specifically to what extent is modern industrialized society to blame – that is the open question.
It is the current fad to pick out very few unusual weather occurrences from around the ENTIRE PLANET and to automatically attribute it to “climate change” (notice how it is no longer “global warming”). But come on people, use your heads! Every year has the occasional unusual weather occurrence. So what makes us think that all of the ones that are happening now (as opposed to those that happened two hundred years ago) are entirely and exclusively the fault of human pollution?!?! Our weather prognosticators can’t even predict the weather more than three days out. Furthermore if you were to look at the weather forecasts from Environment Canada, The Weather Network, and any of the television stations evening news you would see each of them, more often than not, giving different forecasts!
These so called “scientists” simply do not know what they are doing. How sad and gullible are we that we have swallowed their “global warming”, oops “climate change” propaganda hook line and sinker.
Dear AMP, I don’t think you know what you are talking about!! However, I cannot debate with you, because I am not a scientist.
But first, I really like the photos David posted. I also find it reassuring there is winter, and it snows. I like the cyclical rhythm of Nature, or the Creation. Notice, only us theists can call the earth a Creation.
Two, the issue of global warming, or climate change, depends on the measurment of CO2 particles in the air. Apparently, the atmosphere has passed a critical mark of 400 parts per million of C02 particles. Yes, how is that measurement made? Is it an authoritative measurement? I cann’t argue these matters. But about five years ago, I attended a Lenten lecture series. On one evening, a University professor, who was a biologist/earth scientist gave the talk. He used graphs. I only understood perhaps 40 per cent of what he was saying. He was using scientific concepts and language hard for a layperson to understand. But, I thought he was credible, he wasn’t a quack. Yes, he had general liberal ideas. But this man has spent his life studying the earth, the weather, the patterns of interaction between the various factors. He and other academics construct computer models which attempt to explain weather patterns. It is a complex field of study. But, to dismiss it all as abstract nonsense is foolish.
Third, dear AMP, do you notice a biblical theme running through the domesday talk of global warming? Isn’t it similiar to the worry three hundred years ago, about population numbers increasing. People back then worried, we were outgrowing available food sources, and we were all going to starve. There are too many people being born on earth, there is going to be overcrowding!!!! So, I see there is a secular form of apocalyptism going on. It is a view that we human beings are flawed, we are on a self-destructive path, and nothing can prevent the future disaster which is inevitably coming. So, there is a doctrine of original sin at work. WE human beings are born flawed, there is a self-destructive tendency running loose in human society, we are all lemmings, and we are headed for a cliff, we are out of control. Do you not notice this? So, how does secular apocalyptism compare with and differ from Biblical apocalyptism? We could also use the word eschatological also. Secular eschatology of the Environmentalists. I think as Christians, we ought also to be environmentalists. WE also ought to be realists, and unafraid to face environmental problems. But, the problem is, how do we do Christian eschatology and have a real hope in the future? Secular eschatologists have no hope. They are doom and gloom people. But, as Christians, we don’t avoid pain, failure, or the problems of poverty, injustice, etc. We have a different attitude towards worldly problems. But we don’t ignore them. If we use religion to ignore worldly problems, are we not practicing a false religion????
It is quite complex. But we ought to be careful criticizing what we don’t understand. We are only showing our ignorance.
Not sure what you mean by ” I don’t think you know what you are talking about!!” Unless it is that I am saying something that you disagree with and feel unable to refute. If you want some evidence of what I am say about our weather fortune tellers not knowing what they are doing and thus being incompetent in their so called science than consider this.
Here are the weather forecasts for Toronto for December 25th…
From yesterday morning:
Environment Canada, 0 degrees, mostly sunny, 0% PoP
Weather Network, 1 degrees, overcast, 30% PoP of snow
CTV News, -1 degrees, overcast, 30% PoP of freezing rain
From this morning:
Environment Canada, -1 degrees, mostly sunny, 0% PoP
Weather Network, -1 degrees, mostly cloudy, 60% PoP of snow
CTV News, -3%, overcast, 30% PoP of freezing rain
Not only do none of these prognostications agree with each other either day, they all changed from one day to the next, and we still do not have any two out of these now six forecasts saying the same thing! In just two days from three respected sources we now have variances of:
from +1 to -3 degrees
mostly sunny to overcast
0% PoP to 60% PoP
no precipitation, snow, and freezing rain.
And this all for the same day that was not more than seven days from the first set of forecasts! And you think that I don’t know what I am talking about when I say that these weather scientists don’t know what they are talking about!?!? I am forced to wonder what will be their “scientific” forecasts tomorrow morning. And also what will the weather actually be when the day comes. With these so called “scientists” being so incompetent in providing us with a simple 7 or 6 day forecast I have absolutely no confidence in their ability to say anything authoritative about global warming or climate change.
Er. It’s considerably easier to predict general longer term trends than any specific short term event. I work in the gambling industry, and it’s because of this established statistical principle that we can manage to change the carpets so often.
Basically, it’s because of people like you that I can pay my mortgage. Thank you and carry on. 🙂
Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
By Charles Onians
Monday 20 March 2000
Britain’s winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.
[….]
According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”.
“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,” he said.
SNOW WARNING: Arctic storm set to blast Britain with 90mph gales and crippling blizzards
ARCTIC gales of 90mph are gearing up to batter many parts of Britain with eight inches of snow expected in remote areas.
Okay, when I wrote “You don’t know what you are talking about”, I admit I was being punchy. I’ve been thinking, I ought to have said, “Dear AMP, you are expressing an opinion. Can you support your opinion with some facts?” Do you remember taking English composition in Grade 11 or 12? How good writers support their opinions with facts?
I read your post, where you report the weather forecasts by Environment Canada, Weather Network, and CTV News. You note there are differences, of a few degrees, between 0 and 3 degrees, if I remember correctly. The probability of percipitation, varied more. Well, can I point out, if you take a temperature reading in one part of the city, it may not be the same in another part. If you are in a valley, or up a mountain, there can be variations. Also, during the day, the temperature will rise and fall.
I mentioned in my post I heard a talk by a Professor of Earth Sciences. This man has studies rivers, oceans, clouds, wind, atmosphere, and probably continental plates, the theory our land masses are large pieces of earth floating on top of hot larva. There is a developing science (knowledge, research results, speculative theories,etc) going on at some Universities. These scientists are developing concepts and theories to get at the big picture. They are also thinking of the earth’s history in terms of thousands of years. Doesn’t this blow your mind!!!!!
Now, let me ask you a question. Do you think the ice cap in the Northern Arctic is decreasing over the years? Over the decades? You and I can only go on what we read in the newspapers or hear on T.V. Scientists who make claims about these matters, have to provide research. They have to make measurements. They publish their findings in magazines. And, in the scientific community, different scientists debate, criticize, discuss these findings. Doesn’t any of this interest you?
Some scientists think the average temperature on the Earths surface is going to rise by 4 degrees over the next couple of decades. (Or is it 2 degrees?) These guys have to measure temperature over a period of time, before they can make these claims. There must be some skillful technology going on.
Let me finish by asking you a question. If you lived in Florida, and a few weather forecasters predict a hurricane is approaching the coast, and a few forecasters say they don’t see any hurricane out there on the ocean, would you be able to ignore the first forecasters, and dismiss their forecasts as fanciful imaginings? Or would you ask, who has the better equipment? Who is using radars? Who is using reports from flying aircraft? Like, hurricans do happen in Florida, so, the weather forcasters better be damn good and get it right when there is a serious storm approaching. Don’t you believe, in these situations, weather forecasting does work???
I got the following quote from a Wikipedia article on “Global Warming”. It comes from footnote 2:
“The average temperature of the Earth’s surface increased by about 1.4 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) over the past 100 years, with about 1.0 degrees F (0.6 degrees C)of this warming occuring over just the past three decades”
The source mentioned is America’s Climate choices, Washington D.C. The National Academies Press, 2011.
Earth’s surface means the atmosphere and the oceans.
Dave,
Once again you have missed my point, and perhaps deliberately.
These weathermen can’t predict the weather for even just a few days out. Yet they spew out their predictions with an air of confidence that comes across as having absolute and complete certainty. Anyone who bothers to track their predictions and compare these against what actually happens will see that these weathermen are playing us for idiots. Still they portray themselves as “scientists” and we turn off our minds and blindly accept everything they say because after all they are “scientists” and scientists are ALWAYS right.
Seeing as these jokers are completely incapable of telling with any acceptable measure of accuracy what the weather will be like even just seven days from now I have absolutely no confidence in any of their doom and gloom predictions of global warming or climate change. These guys are selling us snake oil and I am not buying it.
Beautiful pictures! I always enjoy clean snow. Snowshoeing is a great winter sport. If I remember correctly, it was much colder in the 1960s. Yes. Ontario is getting warmer nowadays.
First snow in Egypt in 112 years and you are arguing that there is no such thing as climate change? The real question is what is causing it, specifically to what extent is modern industrialized society to blame – that is the open question.
It is the current fad to pick out very few unusual weather occurrences from around the ENTIRE PLANET and to automatically attribute it to “climate change” (notice how it is no longer “global warming”). But come on people, use your heads! Every year has the occasional unusual weather occurrence. So what makes us think that all of the ones that are happening now (as opposed to those that happened two hundred years ago) are entirely and exclusively the fault of human pollution?!?! Our weather prognosticators can’t even predict the weather more than three days out. Furthermore if you were to look at the weather forecasts from Environment Canada, The Weather Network, and any of the television stations evening news you would see each of them, more often than not, giving different forecasts!
These so called “scientists” simply do not know what they are doing. How sad and gullible are we that we have swallowed their “global warming”, oops “climate change” propaganda hook line and sinker.
Set your watch by this place. I do it all the time. 🙂
Dear AMP, I don’t think you know what you are talking about!! However, I cannot debate with you, because I am not a scientist.
But first, I really like the photos David posted. I also find it reassuring there is winter, and it snows. I like the cyclical rhythm of Nature, or the Creation. Notice, only us theists can call the earth a Creation.
Two, the issue of global warming, or climate change, depends on the measurment of CO2 particles in the air. Apparently, the atmosphere has passed a critical mark of 400 parts per million of C02 particles. Yes, how is that measurement made? Is it an authoritative measurement? I cann’t argue these matters. But about five years ago, I attended a Lenten lecture series. On one evening, a University professor, who was a biologist/earth scientist gave the talk. He used graphs. I only understood perhaps 40 per cent of what he was saying. He was using scientific concepts and language hard for a layperson to understand. But, I thought he was credible, he wasn’t a quack. Yes, he had general liberal ideas. But this man has spent his life studying the earth, the weather, the patterns of interaction between the various factors. He and other academics construct computer models which attempt to explain weather patterns. It is a complex field of study. But, to dismiss it all as abstract nonsense is foolish.
Third, dear AMP, do you notice a biblical theme running through the domesday talk of global warming? Isn’t it similiar to the worry three hundred years ago, about population numbers increasing. People back then worried, we were outgrowing available food sources, and we were all going to starve. There are too many people being born on earth, there is going to be overcrowding!!!! So, I see there is a secular form of apocalyptism going on. It is a view that we human beings are flawed, we are on a self-destructive path, and nothing can prevent the future disaster which is inevitably coming. So, there is a doctrine of original sin at work. WE human beings are born flawed, there is a self-destructive tendency running loose in human society, we are all lemmings, and we are headed for a cliff, we are out of control. Do you not notice this? So, how does secular apocalyptism compare with and differ from Biblical apocalyptism? We could also use the word eschatological also. Secular eschatology of the Environmentalists. I think as Christians, we ought also to be environmentalists. WE also ought to be realists, and unafraid to face environmental problems. But, the problem is, how do we do Christian eschatology and have a real hope in the future? Secular eschatologists have no hope. They are doom and gloom people. But, as Christians, we don’t avoid pain, failure, or the problems of poverty, injustice, etc. We have a different attitude towards worldly problems. But we don’t ignore them. If we use religion to ignore worldly problems, are we not practicing a false religion????
It is quite complex. But we ought to be careful criticizing what we don’t understand. We are only showing our ignorance.
Not sure what you mean by ” I don’t think you know what you are talking about!!” Unless it is that I am saying something that you disagree with and feel unable to refute. If you want some evidence of what I am say about our weather fortune tellers not knowing what they are doing and thus being incompetent in their so called science than consider this.
Here are the weather forecasts for Toronto for December 25th…
From yesterday morning:
Environment Canada, 0 degrees, mostly sunny, 0% PoP
Weather Network, 1 degrees, overcast, 30% PoP of snow
CTV News, -1 degrees, overcast, 30% PoP of freezing rain
From this morning:
Environment Canada, -1 degrees, mostly sunny, 0% PoP
Weather Network, -1 degrees, mostly cloudy, 60% PoP of snow
CTV News, -3%, overcast, 30% PoP of freezing rain
Not only do none of these prognostications agree with each other either day, they all changed from one day to the next, and we still do not have any two out of these now six forecasts saying the same thing! In just two days from three respected sources we now have variances of:
from +1 to -3 degrees
mostly sunny to overcast
0% PoP to 60% PoP
no precipitation, snow, and freezing rain.
And this all for the same day that was not more than seven days from the first set of forecasts! And you think that I don’t know what I am talking about when I say that these weather scientists don’t know what they are talking about!?!? I am forced to wonder what will be their “scientific” forecasts tomorrow morning. And also what will the weather actually be when the day comes. With these so called “scientists” being so incompetent in providing us with a simple 7 or 6 day forecast I have absolutely no confidence in their ability to say anything authoritative about global warming or climate change.
Er. It’s considerably easier to predict general longer term trends than any specific short term event. I work in the gambling industry, and it’s because of this established statistical principle that we can manage to change the carpets so often.
Basically, it’s because of people like you that I can pay my mortgage. Thank you and carry on. 🙂
Vincent,
You mean long term trend predictions like this:
Resulting in this in December 2013:
Yes, I see what you mean.
I’m not sure I follow you. In the next post, you seem to make the very same point I am. 🙂
Hello AMP:
Okay, when I wrote “You don’t know what you are talking about”, I admit I was being punchy. I’ve been thinking, I ought to have said, “Dear AMP, you are expressing an opinion. Can you support your opinion with some facts?” Do you remember taking English composition in Grade 11 or 12? How good writers support their opinions with facts?
I read your post, where you report the weather forecasts by Environment Canada, Weather Network, and CTV News. You note there are differences, of a few degrees, between 0 and 3 degrees, if I remember correctly. The probability of percipitation, varied more. Well, can I point out, if you take a temperature reading in one part of the city, it may not be the same in another part. If you are in a valley, or up a mountain, there can be variations. Also, during the day, the temperature will rise and fall.
I mentioned in my post I heard a talk by a Professor of Earth Sciences. This man has studies rivers, oceans, clouds, wind, atmosphere, and probably continental plates, the theory our land masses are large pieces of earth floating on top of hot larva. There is a developing science (knowledge, research results, speculative theories,etc) going on at some Universities. These scientists are developing concepts and theories to get at the big picture. They are also thinking of the earth’s history in terms of thousands of years. Doesn’t this blow your mind!!!!!
Now, let me ask you a question. Do you think the ice cap in the Northern Arctic is decreasing over the years? Over the decades? You and I can only go on what we read in the newspapers or hear on T.V. Scientists who make claims about these matters, have to provide research. They have to make measurements. They publish their findings in magazines. And, in the scientific community, different scientists debate, criticize, discuss these findings. Doesn’t any of this interest you?
Some scientists think the average temperature on the Earths surface is going to rise by 4 degrees over the next couple of decades. (Or is it 2 degrees?) These guys have to measure temperature over a period of time, before they can make these claims. There must be some skillful technology going on.
Let me finish by asking you a question. If you lived in Florida, and a few weather forecasters predict a hurricane is approaching the coast, and a few forecasters say they don’t see any hurricane out there on the ocean, would you be able to ignore the first forecasters, and dismiss their forecasts as fanciful imaginings? Or would you ask, who has the better equipment? Who is using radars? Who is using reports from flying aircraft? Like, hurricans do happen in Florida, so, the weather forcasters better be damn good and get it right when there is a serious storm approaching. Don’t you believe, in these situations, weather forecasting does work???
I got the following quote from a Wikipedia article on “Global Warming”. It comes from footnote 2:
“The average temperature of the Earth’s surface increased by about 1.4 degrees F (0.8 degrees C) over the past 100 years, with about 1.0 degrees F (0.6 degrees C)of this warming occuring over just the past three decades”
The source mentioned is America’s Climate choices, Washington D.C. The National Academies Press, 2011.
Earth’s surface means the atmosphere and the oceans.
Dave,
Once again you have missed my point, and perhaps deliberately.
These weathermen can’t predict the weather for even just a few days out. Yet they spew out their predictions with an air of confidence that comes across as having absolute and complete certainty. Anyone who bothers to track their predictions and compare these against what actually happens will see that these weathermen are playing us for idiots. Still they portray themselves as “scientists” and we turn off our minds and blindly accept everything they say because after all they are “scientists” and scientists are ALWAYS right.
Seeing as these jokers are completely incapable of telling with any acceptable measure of accuracy what the weather will be like even just seven days from now I have absolutely no confidence in any of their doom and gloom predictions of global warming or climate change. These guys are selling us snake oil and I am not buying it.